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		<title>Dear Abby: Colleagues suspect co-worker has dementia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 03:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Symptom Advice</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Abby: &#101;&#118;&#101;&#114;&#121;&#111;&#110;&#101; &#107;&#110;&#111;&#119;&#115; the economy &#104;&#097;&#115; hit hard times &#097;&#110;&#100;, as a result, more people &#097;&#114;&#101; working &#112;&#097;&#115;&#116; the age &#111;&#102; retirement. This means some in the workplace &#097;&#114;&#101; beginning to deal &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; Alzheimer&#8217;s &#097;&#110;&#100; other dementia-related illnesses. &#8220;Anita&#8221; &#105;&#115; in her late 60s &#097;&#110;&#100; we &#097;&#114;&#101; &#099;&#101;&#114;&#116;&#097;&#105;&#110; she &#105;&#115; showing symptoms &#111;&#102; dementia. [...]]]></description>
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<p>Dear Abby: &#101;&#118;&#101;&#114;&#121;&#111;&#110;&#101; &#107;&#110;&#111;&#119;&#115; the economy &#104;&#097;&#115; hit hard times &#097;&#110;&#100;, as a result, more people &#097;&#114;&#101; working &#112;&#097;&#115;&#116; the age &#111;&#102; retirement. This means some in the workplace &#097;&#114;&#101; beginning to deal &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; Alzheimer&#8217;s &#097;&#110;&#100; other dementia-related illnesses.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anita&#8221; &#105;&#115; in her late 60s &#097;&#110;&#100; we &#097;&#114;&#101; &#099;&#101;&#114;&#116;&#097;&#105;&#110; she &#105;&#115; showing symptoms &#111;&#102; dementia. She &#104;&#097;&#115; worked in &#111;&#117;&#114; office &#097;&#098;&#111;&#117;&#116; three years, after working in this field &#102;&#111;&#114; more &#116;&#104;&#097;&#110; 30 years elsewhere. &#098;&#117;&#116; if you saw her in &#111;&#117;&#114; office today, you &#119;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#107; &#105;&#116; &#119;&#097;&#115; her first week &#8212; if not her first day.</p>
<p>Anita makes multiple mistakes every day, then sits at her desk &#097;&#110;&#100; cries her eyes out. &#111;&#117;&#114; supervisor insists there &#105;&#115; &#110;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103; &#104;&#101; &#111;&#114; HR &#099;&#097;&#110; do in &#114;&#101;&#103;&#097;&#114;&#100;&#115; to talking gently to her &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; she &#099;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; sue the company.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m &#115;&#111;&#114;&#114;&#121; Anita &#105;&#115; suffering, &#098;&#117;&#116; &#109;&#117;&#115;&#116; we let her deteriorate &#102;&#111;&#114; three more years in &#111;&#117;&#114; office? What&#8217;s the right thing to do &#102;&#111;&#114; &#101;&#118;&#101;&#114;&#121;&#111;&#110;&#101; involved? &#8212; Stumped In California</p>
<p>Dear Stumped: I discussed your question &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; Nancy Bertrando, a respected California employment law specialist, &#119;&#104;&#111; &#116;&#111;&#108;&#100; me: &#8220;If a person &#105;&#115; unable to perform the essential functions &#111;&#102; her job &#8212; regardless &#111;&#102; the reason &#8212; an employer does not have the obligation to keep the person in &#116;&#104;&#097;&#116; position.</p>
<p>However, regardless &#111;&#102; &#119;&#104;&#101;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; your supervisor &#111;&#114; HR thinks &#105;&#116; &#105;&#115; futile, Anita &#115;&#104;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; &#098;&#101; counseled &#097;&#110;&#100; &#103;&#105;&#118;&#101;&#110; the opportunity to fix the problem &#8212; if, indeed, &#105;&#116; &#105;&#115; fixable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dear Abby: My husband runs an auto body shop &#097;&#110;&#100; &#104;&#097;&#115; always warned me to &#098;&#101; extra careful in parking lots &#8212; &#8220;People don&#8217;t pay attention.</p>
<p>They drive too &#102;&#097;&#115;&#116;. Everyone&#8217;s always in a &#104;&#117;&#114;&#114;&#121;,&#8221; &#101;&#116;&#099;. &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108;, tomorrow I &#097;&#109; going to the memorial service &#102;&#111;&#114; a dear friend, &#8220;Mara.&#8221; She &#119;&#097;&#115; &#111;&#110;&#108;&#121; 46.</p>
<p>While Mara &#119;&#097;&#115; putting her granddaughter &#105;&#110;&#116;&#111; a stroller, they &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; hit. A woman driving too &#102;&#097;&#115;&#116; hit a car backing out &#111;&#102; a parking space, careened &#111;&#102;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#097;&#116; car &#097;&#110;&#100; ran over Mara.</p>
<p>A car &#099;&#097;&#110; &#098;&#101; as lethal as a gun. I didn&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221; &#098;&#101;&#102;&#111;&#114;&#101;, &#098;&#117;&#116; now I do. &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; &#111;&#102; the reckless actions &#111;&#102; a complete stranger, you &#099;&#097;&#110; kiss your husband goodbye, &#103;&#111; shopping &#097;&#110;&#100; never return! I hope &#116;&#104;&#097;&#116; hearing &#097;&#098;&#111;&#117;&#116; this nightmare helps others. &#8212; Missing The Sister &#111;&#102; My Heart</p>
<p>Dear Missing: Please &#107;&#110;&#111;&#119; &#104;&#111;&#119; &#115;&#111;&#114;&#114;&#121; I &#097;&#109; &#097;&#098;&#111;&#117;&#116; the tragic death &#111;&#102; your friend. I cannot stress enough &#104;&#111;&#119; important &#105;&#116; &#105;&#115; to remain fully present while &#098;&#101;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#100; the wheel &#111;&#102; a vehicle.</p>
<p>Our streets &#097;&#110;&#100; highways &#097;&#114;&#101; filled &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; distractions, as &#097;&#114;&#101; &#111;&#117;&#114; cars &#8212; billboards, cell phones, stereo buttons, the GPS, &#101;&#116;&#099;. I &#097;&#109; &#115;&#117;&#114;&#101; the woman &#119;&#104;&#111; struck Mara &#097;&#110;&#100; her grandchild will never &#103;&#101;&#116; over the fact &#116;&#104;&#097;&#116; she &#116;&#111;&#111;&#107; one life &#097;&#110;&#100; &#099;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; have taken &#097;&#110;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;.</p>
<p>Readers, I hope you will review this woman&#8217;s letter &#097;&#110;&#100; remember &#105;&#116; the next time you&#8217;re &#8220;in a &#104;&#117;&#114;&#114;&#121;.&#8221; &#105;&#116; &#099;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; save a life.</p>
<p>Write to Dear Abby at DearAbby.com &#111;&#114; P.O. Box 69440, Los Angeles, CA 90069.</p></p>
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		<title>All In The Mind &#8211; 29 January 2011 &#8211; That Does Not Compute: the hidden affliction of dyscalculia</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Symptom Advice</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[dyslexia symptoms]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#8217;ve heard the common refrain, &#8216;Oh, I&#8217;m &#115;&#111; bad &#097;&#116; maths!&#8217; But &#102;&#111;&#114; &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; eight per cent &#111;&#102; us, &#097; condition called dyscalculia means numbers are &#097; &#115;&#101;&#114;&#105;&#111;&#117;&#115; struggle, &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#115;&#101;&#114;&#105;&#111;&#117;&#115; consequences. Scientists are now revealing &#105;&#116;&#115; biological basis, and in Australia there&#8217;s &#097; push &#102;&#111;&#114; it &#116;&#111; be &#115;&#101;&#101;&#110; as &#097; legitimate and [...]]]></description>
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<p>You&#8217;ve heard the common refrain, &#8216;Oh, I&#8217;m &#115;&#111; bad &#097;&#116; maths!&#8217; But &#102;&#111;&#114; &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; eight per cent &#111;&#102; us, &#097; condition called dyscalculia means numbers are &#097; &#115;&#101;&#114;&#105;&#111;&#117;&#115; struggle, &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#115;&#101;&#114;&#105;&#111;&#117;&#115; consequences. Scientists are now revealing &#105;&#116;&#115; biological basis, and in Australia there&#8217;s &#097; push &#102;&#111;&#114; it &#116;&#111; be &#115;&#101;&#101;&#110; as &#097; legitimate and unique disability.
<p><strong>Natasha Mitchell</strong>: &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108;, the &#102;&#117;&#108;&#108; force &#111;&#102; 2011 is &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; us, isn&#8217;t it, &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#097; tumultuous start &#116;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; la Nina year &#102;&#111;&#114; &#115;&#111; many &#111;&#102; us here in Australia, in Brazil, in Sri Lanka. It&#8217;s hard &#116;&#111; comprehend the scale &#111;&#102; it all. Natasha Mitchell &#111;&#110; board, welcome &#116;&#111; &#097; year &#111;&#102; fresh shows &#111;&#110; the rich life &#111;&#102; the mind. And comprehending the scale &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; is in fact something we&#8217;re looking into today, but in &#097; totally different context. How&#8217;s your head &#102;&#111;&#114; numbers?
<p>Numeracy skills are &#111;&#110; the nose in Australia. &#097; 2008 COAG report concluded that &#104;&#097;&#108;&#102; &#111;&#102; us, &#121;&#101;&#115; &#104;&#097;&#108;&#102;, don&#8217;t &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; the skills needed &#116;&#111; meet the complex demands &#111;&#102; work and life in &#097; modern economy. It&#8217;s &#097; common refrain isn&#8217;t it, you&#8217;ve heard it &#8216;I&#8217;m crap &#097;&#116; maths&#8217; &#111;&#102; course that can be &#102;&#111;&#114; many reasons: &#104;&#111;&#119; it&#8217;s handled in the classroom, lack &#111;&#102; opportunity, &#111;&#114; &#112;&#101;&#114;&#104;&#097;&#112;&#115; &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; our parents &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; transferred &#116;&#104;&#101;&#105;&#114; &#111;&#119;&#110; &#102;&#101;&#097;&#114; &#111;&#102; maths &#116;&#111; us. But as you&#8217;ll hear today, some &#111;&#102; us legitimately be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; blame our brain &#111;&#114; biology. Learning difficulties are genuine.
<p>We&#8217;re &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; familiar &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; dyslexia, that difficulty &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; processing words, but it &#115;&#101;&#101;&#109;&#115; that &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; 8% &#111;&#102; us struggle &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; numbers, arithmetic and calculations &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; &#111;&#102; &#097; legitimate condition called dyscalculia, &#097; condition that&#8217;s flown under the radar &#102;&#111;&#114; too long. Corinne Podger is &#111;&#110; the case.
<p><strong>Lucie</strong>: I &#100;&#111; lots &#111;&#102; French activities &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#109;&#121; dad, create movies &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#109;&#121; dolls, dance, I write &#115;&#116;&#111;&#114;&#105;&#101;&#115; &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#109;&#121; computer all the time and would print it out and &#109;&#121; mum takes it &#116;&#111; work and shows &#097; man who &#100;&#111;&#101;&#115; lots &#111;&#102; scripts and &#104;&#101; says she could become &#097; script writer. I&#8217;m not trying &#116;&#111; brag &#111;&#114; &#097;&#110;&#121;&#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103; but I love writing &#115;&#116;&#111;&#114;&#105;&#101;&#115;, I love &#116;&#111; read and I&#8217;m reading &#097; &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; &#103;&#111;&#111;&#100; book &#097;&#116; the moment that &#109;&#121; dad &#103;&#111;&#116; me and I &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; enjoy reading.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Lucie is 9, she&#8217;s articulate and quick-witted and fluent in the French, English and Italian &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; is spoken &#097;&#116; home. Her parents Astrid and Xavier are both school teachers. &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#119;&#097;&#110;&#116; her &#116;&#111; learn, and she likes school. But Lucy is receiving tuition &#102;&#111;&#114; learning difficulties &#097;&#116; &#097;&#110; organisation called SPELD, Specific Learning Difficulties, Victoria and here&#8217;s why.
<p>Can &#121;&#111;&#117; tell the time &#114;&#105;&#103;&#104;&#116; now?
<p><strong>Lucie</strong>: I can read slightly the Roman numerals: 35 (pause) 35 &#8212; no I know it&#8217;s 35 but I just can&#8217;t read &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; it&#8217;s something &#116;&#111; &#103;&#111; &#116;&#111;, no I don&#8217;t know. I know it&#8217;s something 35.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: And &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; time is it Xavier?
<p><strong>Xavier</strong>: 7.30 &#121;&#101;&#115;. Lucy&#8217;s maths difficulties &#119;&#101; &#102;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; that out when she was in prep and she&#8217;s &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; struggling since, and she&#8217;s not &#103;&#101;&#116;&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103; it unfortunately, and I don&#8217;t know why and &#104;&#111;&#119;, it&#8217;s just very frustrating &#097;&#116; times.
<p><strong>Astrid</strong>: Her writing was always very &#103;&#111;&#111;&#100;; it&#8217;s the maths that &#104;&#097;&#115; &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; the issue. &#119;&#101; &#115;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#116;&#105;&#109;&#101;&#115; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; the struggle &#097;&#116; school &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; making people understand that it&#8217;s not &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; Lucy doesn&#8217;t &#119;&#097;&#110;&#116; &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111; it, &#111;&#114; can&#8217;t be bothered; it&#8217;s &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; she &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; cannot &#100;&#111; it. She&#8217;s unable &#116;&#111; retain &#097; lot &#111;&#102; the information.
<p><strong>Xavier</strong>: Lucie is in &#097; &#119;&#097;&#121; lucky that &#119;&#101; are teachers &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; &#119;&#101; are &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; identify and &#116;&#114;&#121; &#116;&#111; remedy, but &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; are &#097;&#110; average parent and &#121;&#111;&#117; don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going &#111;&#110; &#121;&#111;&#117; know &#121;&#111;&#117; think the kid just &#110;&#101;&#101;&#100;&#115; &#116;&#111; work harder and then &#121;&#111;&#117; put pressure &#111;&#110; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; and it&#8217;s just not working.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Lucie &#104;&#097;&#115; difficulties &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; auditory processing, &#097; mismatch between ear and brain. But that doesn&#8217;t fully explain why she can&#8217;t process numbers as &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108; as &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; kids her age. She can count and she&#8217;s memorised her times tables but &#097;&#110;&#121;&#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103; involving calculation, multiplying, dividing, telling the time, &#103;&#101;&#116;&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103; change &#097;&#116; the shops, quantities and amounts is &#097; mystery. Now she&#8217;s &#098;&#101;&#105;&#110;&#103; tested by Professor Bob Reeve, &#097; developmental psychologist &#097;&#116; the mathematical cognition laboratory &#097;&#116; the University &#111;&#102; Melbourne. &#104;&#101; believes Lucie is &#097; classic dyscalculic &#8212; &#115;&#111; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; is it?
<p><strong>Bob Reeve</strong>: Some people refer &#116;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; as number blindness. &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; actually &#115;&#101;&#101; specific &#116;&#111; number is that once they&#8217;ve learned &#097; concept &#115;&#117;&#099;&#104; as simple addition &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; don&#8217;t transfer &#111;&#114; use that knowledge &#116;&#111; study similar &#105;&#100;&#101;&#097;&#115; &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; subtraction. &#119;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#097;&#115; the person who &#104;&#097;&#115; &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; poorly taught &#111;&#114; who &#104;&#097;&#115; poor education &#115;&#116;&#105;&#108;&#108; &#104;&#097;&#115; &#097; basic &#105;&#100;&#101;&#097; &#111;&#102; numeracy concepts. It &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; &#115;&#101;&#101;&#109;&#115; as &#105;&#102; people &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; dyscalculia don&#8217;t &#115;&#101;&#101; the concepts &#8212; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; can learn by rote &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111; &#099;&#101;&#114;&#116;&#097;&#105;&#110; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; but it appears not &#116;&#111; transfer, &#111;&#114; generalise &#116;&#111; similar problems and tasks.
<p>It is often co-morbid &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; problems &#115;&#117;&#099;&#104; as dyslexia, &#115;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#116;&#105;&#109;&#101;&#115; it&#8217;s very separate from dyslexia. I think the general agreement now is that &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; is &#097; pure form that is not &#097;&#115;&#115;&#111;&#099;&#105;&#097;&#116;&#101;&#100; &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; learning difficulties. &#119;&#101; suspect that it is genetic, &#111;&#114; &#097;&#116; &#108;&#101;&#097;&#115;&#116; &#097; neurological problem in some respects.
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: &#117;&#115;&#117;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; they&#8217;ve always &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; bad &#097;&#116; maths &#114;&#105;&#103;&#104;&#116; from the word &#103;&#111;. Very often &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#119;&#105;&#108;&#108; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; somebody else in the family who&#8217;s bad &#097;&#116; maths though not always. Secondly, &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; don&#8217;t respond &#116;&#111; normal instruction very &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108;. &#115;&#111; the kid who&#8217;s missed some classes and is falling behind, that kid can be brought &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; speed &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; the appropriate additional &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112;. &#119;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#097;&#115; &#097; dyscalculic, &#104;&#101; won&#8217;t be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; catch &#117;&#112;. &#115;&#111; the dyscalculic &#110;&#101;&#101;&#100;&#115; very specialised interventions in the same &#119;&#097;&#121; that dyslexics need specialised interventions &#116;&#111; &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#116;&#111; learn &#116;&#111; read.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: One &#111;&#102; the world&#8217;s &#103;&#114;&#101;&#097;&#116; maths evangelists, cognitive neuroscientist Professor Brian Butterworth from University College London, author &#111;&#102; books &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; The Mathematical Brain. He&#8217;s collaborated &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; Bob Reeve and is &#097; leading light in dyscalculia research.
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; are &#116;&#119;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; that &#119;&#101; know about and &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t know &#097;&#110; &#097;&#119;&#102;&#117;&#108; lot &#097;&#116; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; stage. One is there&#8217;s &#097;&#110; abnormality in the parietal lobes, and the parietal lobes are the critical areas representing numerical magnitude in the brain. &#115;&#111; knowing that five-ness is bigger that four-ness, that&#8217;s &#097; parietal lobe function, and &#119;&#101; know there&#8217;s abnormality in the critical little bit &#111;&#102; the parietal lobe that represents number magnitude. Elizabeth Isaacs &#097;&#116; the Institute &#111;&#102; Child Health and her colleagues &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#102;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; that there&#8217;s less grey matter in that little bit &#111;&#102; brain in her dyscalculics than &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; in her control group.
<p>Another group in Stanford, led by Vinod Menon, &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#102;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; that the connections between &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; part &#111;&#102; the parietal lobe and &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#115; &#111;&#102; the brain are different in dyscalculics. The &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103; that&#8217;s now &#107;&#110;&#111;&#119;&#110; is that the activity in these areas is different in dyscalculics than in matched controls. &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101; think that both structure and functioning are different in dyscalculics. And &#111;&#102; course &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; is &#097; problem about causal relationships here. &#115;&#111; &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; don&#8217;t &#100;&#111; &#109;&#117;&#099;&#104; maths &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; you&#8217;re dyscalculic &#100;&#111;&#101;&#115; that reduce the grey matter density in the relevant bit &#111;&#102; brain? &#100;&#111;&#101;&#115; it change the &#119;&#097;&#121; in &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; connectivity is set &#117;&#112;? &#100;&#111;&#101;&#115; it change the pattern &#111;&#102; activation, &#111;&#114; is it the &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; &#119;&#097;&#121; &#097;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100;, that &#121;&#111;&#117; start &#111;&#102;&#102; &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; different grey matter density and &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; leads &#116;&#111; dyscalculia? These are &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; that we&#8217;re only now beginning &#116;&#111; investigate &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; only now &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#119;&#101; &#103;&#111;&#116; information about brain abnormalities in these dyscalculate learners.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: The first person &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; dyscalculia that &#121;&#111;&#117; came &#097;&#099;&#114;&#111;&#115;&#115;, &#097; woman called Kathy. &#104;&#111;&#119; &#100;&#105;&#100; she process numbers?
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108; she processed &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; &#098;&#097;&#100;&#108;&#121; &#115;&#111; &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; asked her &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; 9 + 6 was she would &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#103;&#114;&#101;&#097;&#116; difficulty &#100;&#111;&#105;&#110;&#103; that, and &#121;&#101;&#116; she was &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; program computers, she was &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; run &#097; small software business. But &#102;&#111;&#114; her it was &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121;, &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; difficult. And &#119;&#101; asked her &#116;&#111; &#100;&#101;&#115;&#099;&#114;&#105;&#098;&#101; her mental picture &#111;&#102; numbers and that was &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121;, &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; strange, &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; she would &#100;&#111; was she would &#115;&#097;&#121; &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108; I &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; mental picture and I&#8217;ll draw it out &#102;&#111;&#114; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#111;&#102; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; the numbers &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107; &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101;. And she would &#103;&#111; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and then I put the next lot &#111;&#102; numbers &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; are 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 and then I put the next lot &#111;&#102; numbers &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; are 10, 11, 12 and &#115;&#111; &#111;&#110; &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; 20. &#115;&#111; she was representing 5 twice in her mental picture and she was representing 10 twice and 20 twice &#115;&#111; that when she &#116;&#114;&#105;&#101;&#100; &#116;&#111; count &#116;&#104;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#103;&#104; in the &#119;&#097;&#121; that, &#115;&#097;&#121;, &#097;&#110; early learner would count &#116;&#104;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#103;&#104; she &#103;&#111;&#116; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; wrong. &#115;&#111; she had &#097; very, very abnormal mental representation.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#100;&#111; &#119;&#101; know about the causes &#111;&#102; dyscalculia, is it inherited?
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: &#119;&#101; think it&#8217;s inherited in &#097; lot &#111;&#102; cases, &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t know &#105;&#102; it&#8217;s inherited in all cases. &#119;&#101; know it&#8217;s inherited from twin studies, &#115;&#111; &#105;&#102; one identical twin &#104;&#097;&#115; it the &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; identical twin is very likely &#116;&#111; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; it. &#119;&#101; &#097;&#108;&#115;&#111; know that it persists into adulthood. &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; was &#097; study done by Ruth Shalev in Tel Aviv &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; &#115;&#104;&#111;&#119;&#101;&#100; that &#111;&#102; the dyscalculics that she tested &#097;&#116; age 11, &#109;&#111;&#115;&#116; &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; dyscalculic &#097;&#116; the age &#111;&#102; 17, and almost all &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; &#115;&#116;&#105;&#108;&#108; very poor &#097;&#116; arithmetic. &#115;&#111; it&#8217;s something you&#8217;re &#109;&#111;&#115;&#116; likely born &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; though it may not be heritable in some &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; cases, and it persists. And we&#8217;ve &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; &#100;&#111;&#105;&#110;&#103; studies &#111;&#102; lots &#111;&#102; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; call high functioning dyscalculics who are dyscalculate &#101;&#118;&#101;&#110; though &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; are very successful in &#116;&#104;&#101;&#105;&#114; work, and &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; are very intelligent and they&#8217;ve had all the advantages.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Someone who&#8217;s had all &#111;&#102; the advantages is Professor Paul Moorcraft, &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#097; distinguished career in the military and international affairs. &#104;&#101; now heads &#117;&#112; the Centre &#102;&#111;&#114; Foreign Policy Analysis in London and &#119;&#101; spoke &#111;&#110; &#097; crummy phone line as &#104;&#101; headed &#111;&#102;&#102; &#116;&#111; oversee Sudan&#8217;s independence referendum. Paul was diagnosed dyscalculic by Professor Butterworth &#097; few years ago.
<p><strong>Paul Moorcraft</strong>: It&#8217;s partly &#105;&#102; somebody dictates &#097; number &#116;&#111; me over the phone, &#102;&#111;&#114; &#101;&#120;&#097;&#109;&#112;&#108;&#101;, I can&#8217;t remember &#102;&#111;&#114; &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; than &#116;&#119;&#111; &#111;&#114; three numbers. And when I physically write &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; down I &#119;&#105;&#108;&#108; inadvertently transpose &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109;. I &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; trouble reading train timetables. &#116;&#111; actually explain &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; it is it&#8217;s difficult &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111;, I just cannot understand maths. It&#8217;s not &#097; phobia, it&#8217;s not &#097; psychological &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;, it is &#097; physical inability &#101;&#118;&#101;&#110; no matter &#104;&#111;&#119; hard I &#116;&#114;&#121;, and &#101;&#118;&#101;&#110; though I&#8217;m &#097; professor, I cannot write down numbers and I &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097; spatial awareness problem when it &#099;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#115; &#116;&#111; numbers. &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; talk &#116;&#111; me about dimensions &#111;&#102; something. I &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; trouble visualising that.
<p>I worked in the Ministry &#111;&#102; Defence and I had &#097; safe, and &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; documents, and then &#121;&#111;&#117; weren&#8217;t supposed &#116;&#111; write the numbers down &#102;&#111;&#114; security reasons. And I used &#116;&#111; add &#117;&#112; &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#109;&#121; fingers &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; is &#097; bit embarrassing &#105;&#102; you&#8217;re in senior meetings in Whitehall in London. &#115;&#111; I hid it &#102;&#111;&#114; many, many years.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: And &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; would be &#097; lot &#111;&#102; people listening &#116;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; thinking ah, that sounds &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; me, I&#8217;m dyscalculic. But &#121;&#111;&#117; &#102;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; that it&#8217;s not very common.
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: It&#8217;s about as common as dyslexia. &#115;&#111; it&#8217;s &#115;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#119;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; between 3% and 6% &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; are the &#098;&#101;&#115;&#116; prevalence estimates that &#119;&#101; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097;&#116; the moment. &#115;&#111; that means 1 child in &#101;&#097;&#099;&#104; class is &#112;&#114;&#111;&#098;&#097;&#098;&#108;&#121; going &#116;&#111; be dyscalculic &#111;&#110; average. And &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107;, &#102;&#111;&#114; &#101;&#120;&#097;&#109;&#112;&#108;&#101;, &#097;&#116; the economic consequences &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115;, &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; are actually &#114;&#097;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; &#115;&#101;&#114;&#105;&#111;&#117;&#115;. &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; could just get the bottom 10% &#111;&#102; arithmetic learners &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; the minimum OECD level, &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; isn&#8217;t very high then &#121;&#111;&#117; would increase GDP growth by quite &#097; lot. &#115;&#111; &#102;&#111;&#114; &#101;&#120;&#097;&#109;&#112;&#108;&#101; in England &#105;&#102; &#119;&#101; could get the 10% &#104;&#097;&#108;&#102; &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; would be dyscalculic &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; the minimum level that would increase our GDP growth by .44%. Now that doesn&#8217;t sound very &#109;&#117;&#099;&#104; but &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; know that GDP growth in the UK is &#115;&#097;&#121; 2% and that additional .44% is actually &#097; 25% increase in GDP growth.
<p>So I think one &#111;&#102; the &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; that&#8217;s &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; important going &#102;&#111;&#114;&#119;&#097;&#114;&#100; is &#116;&#111; &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; effective ways &#111;&#102; &#103;&#101;&#116;&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103; dyscalculics &#117;&#112; &#116;&#111; &#097;&#116; &#108;&#101;&#097;&#115;&#116; &#097; reasonable level &#111;&#102; competence &#097;&#116; arithmetic, and that&#8217;s one &#111;&#102; the &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; that we&#8217;re currently trying &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111;.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: You&#8217;ve designed &#097; test &#102;&#111;&#114; dyscalculia &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; I understand is used in schools in Britain &#8212; now &#104;&#111;&#119; &#100;&#111;&#101;&#115; it work?
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: &#119;&#101; wanted &#097; test &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; as &#102;&#097;&#114; as possible didn&#8217;t depend upon your educational experiences. &#115;&#111; &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097; standard arithmetic test then &#105;&#102; you&#8217;ve &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; &#116;&#111; &#097; &#103;&#111;&#111;&#100; school you&#8217;re going &#116;&#111; be better &#097;&#116; it &#111;&#110; the whole than &#105;&#102; you&#8217;ve &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; &#116;&#111; &#097; bad school. &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101; wanted something that was very simple and something &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; targeted these simple functions in the parietal lobe. &#115;&#111; the critical tests in our screener &#102;&#111;&#114; dyscalculia is &#104;&#111;&#119; quickly and accurately &#121;&#111;&#117; could innumerate objects in &#097; display, &#104;&#111;&#119; quickly &#121;&#111;&#117; could &#115;&#097;&#121; that are 5 objects &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101;. And &#104;&#111;&#119; quickly and &#104;&#111;&#119; accurately &#121;&#111;&#117; can compare &#116;&#119;&#111; numbers, &#104;&#111;&#119; quickly &#121;&#111;&#117; can &#115;&#097;&#121; that 5 is bigger than 3.
<p>And &#119;&#101; &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; is highly predictive &#111;&#102; your ability &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111; arithmetic, it distinguishes between kids who are bad &#097;&#116; arithmetic &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; they&#8217;re dyscalculic and &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#102;&#111;&#114;&#101; would be bad &#111;&#110; these innumeration and comparisons tests from kids who are bad &#097;&#116; arithmetic but are not bad &#111;&#110; &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; &#116;&#119;&#111; tests. And &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; &#115;&#097;&#121; in the screener notes is that &#105;&#102; you&#8217;re bad &#097;&#116; arithmetic but &#103;&#111;&#111;&#100; &#097; innumeration and comparison, then &#121;&#111;&#117; not dyscalculic, there&#8217;s &#097;&#110;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; reason &#102;&#111;&#114; why you&#8217;re bad &#097;&#116; arithmetic and the teacher &#111;&#114; the educational psychologist then as &#116;&#111; &#116;&#114;&#121; and &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; out &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; it is that&#8217;s gone wrong in your &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#105;&#099;&#117;&#108;&#097;&#114; education.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Dyslexic kids are &#098;&#101;&#105;&#110;&#103; picked &#117;&#112; earlier and earlier but &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; about dyscalculia? &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108; &#121;&#111;&#117; can&#8217;t screen &#102;&#111;&#114; it before age 6 but Bob Reeve and colleagues are working &#111;&#110; spotting infants, &#101;&#118;&#101;&#110; babies, who can&#8217;t process numeric information years before &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; encounter maths.
<p><strong>Bob Reeve</strong>: We&#8217;ve &#115;&#116;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#101;&#100; &#116;&#111; &#103;&#111; &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; pretty &#109;&#117;&#099;&#104; &#116;&#111; infancy &#116;&#111; &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107; &#097;&#116; the precursors &#111;&#102; number. And they&#8217;re not going &#116;&#111; &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107; &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#121;&#111;&#117; think &#111;&#102; as number, as in counting. &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101; &#115;&#101;&#101; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; as quantity, the recognition &#111;&#102; very small sets &#111;&#102; number. The &#109;&#111;&#115;&#116; obvious one that people &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107; &#097;&#116; is approximate number, whether children can discriminate between sort &#111;&#102; &#116;&#119;&#111; sets &#111;&#102; numbers, &#111;&#114; infants can discriminate between &#116;&#119;&#111; sets &#111;&#102; numbers.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: &#116;&#119;&#111; sets &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115;.
<p><strong>Bob Reeve</strong>: &#116;&#119;&#111; sets &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115;, &#116;&#119;&#111; sets &#111;&#102; objects, &#116;&#119;&#111; sets &#111;&#102; dots, &#116;&#119;&#111; sets &#111;&#102; lines. The &#105;&#100;&#101;&#097; is that the closer the &#116;&#119;&#111; sets are together the &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; difficult it is &#116;&#111; discriminate between &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; and &#115;&#111; the ability &#116;&#111; discriminate between similar sets is termed &#8216;approximate number&#8217; and in some sense it&#8217;s &#115;&#101;&#101;&#110; as &#097; precursor &#102;&#111;&#114; the development &#111;&#102; &#8216;symbolic number&#8217; &#111;&#114; &#111;&#102; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; might think &#111;&#102; as Arabic number. And the &#105;&#100;&#101;&#097; is that these very basic forms &#111;&#102; quantity discrimination support &#111;&#114; scaffold the &#108;&#097;&#116;&#101;&#114; forms &#111;&#102; number. &#105;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; early bases are not &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; then it is very difficult &#116;&#111; scaffold &#111;&#114; associate these &#108;&#097;&#116;&#101;&#114; forms &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; might think &#111;&#102; as the cultural development &#111;&#102; number &#8212; addition, subtraction and counting and &#115;&#111; &#111;&#110;.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: These sound &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; abstract difficulties but research worldwide &#105;&#110;&#100;&#105;&#099;&#097;&#116;&#101;&#115; that &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; point &#116;&#111; dyscalculia. &#115;&#111; are &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; interventions and can &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; work? &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108; it&#8217;s early days.
<p><strong>Bob Reeve</strong>: &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097;&#110; intervention science &#097;&#116; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#105;&#099;&#117;&#108;&#097;&#114; point in time and &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t know &#105;&#102; it can be remedied and &#099;&#101;&#114;&#116;&#097;&#105;&#110; people argue, and it&#8217;s &#097; very negative argument, that &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; it is likely that pure dyscalculia is &#097; brain difficulty, &#121;&#111;&#117; may not be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; teach it in the same &#119;&#097;&#121; as &#121;&#111;&#117; teach &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; &#102;&#111;&#114; that &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#105;&#099;&#117;&#108;&#097;&#114; group &#111;&#102; people.
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: &#119;&#101; know it&#8217;s lifelong &#102;&#111;&#114; some people; &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t know &#105;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; would &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#115;&#116;&#105;&#108;&#108; &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; dyscalculic &#105;&#102; they&#8217;d had the appropriate intervention. &#119;&#101; think that the &#119;&#097;&#121; &#116;&#111; &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; is &#116;&#111; strengthen &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; call basic number concepts. &#115;&#111; &#103;&#101;&#116;&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111; plenty &#111;&#102; practice &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; innumeration, &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; counting, &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; comparing numbers and &#100;&#111;&#105;&#110;&#103; very simple addition and subtraction, &#115;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097; feel &#102;&#111;&#114; numbers &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; the rest &#111;&#102; us &#116;&#097;&#107;&#101; &#102;&#111;&#114; granted but &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; very difficult &#116;&#111; achieve.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Difficult but not impossible, as you&#8217;re about &#116;&#111; hear here &#111;&#110; All in the Mind &#111;&#110; ABC Radio National going global &#111;&#110; Radio Australia and &#111;&#110; podcast, I&#8217;m Corinne Podger.
<p><strong>Mary Delahunty</strong>: &#109;&#111;&#115;&#116; people &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; automaticity &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#097; lot &#111;&#102; these &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; but people &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; dyscalculia &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#116;&#111; learn the steps, &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; just don&#8217;t &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; it automatically. &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; often resort &#116;&#111; very primitive methods &#111;&#102; calculating &#111;&#114; adding &#111;&#114; subtracting &#111;&#114; whatever &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#100;&#111;. &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; haven&#8217;t developed any strategies &#102;&#111;&#114; moving &#111;&#110; from just &#100;&#111;&#105;&#110;&#103; &#097; one-by-one count.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Mary Delahunty is &#097; special education mathematics teacher in Melbourne. Her approach is &#116;&#111; fix number concepts in her students&#8217; minds firmly enough &#115;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; are not always struggling &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; the basics. She &#097;&#108;&#115;&#111; helps &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#116;&#111; &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; work-arounds &#115;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; can survive in our numeric world.
<p><strong>Mary Delahunty</strong>: Just &#116;&#111; &#103;&#105;&#118;&#101; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#097;&#110; &#101;&#120;&#097;&#109;&#112;&#108;&#101; &#111;&#102; one little boy that I&#8217;ve worked &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#102;&#111;&#114; over 12 months. &#104;&#101; was about 9 &#111;&#114; 10 &#097;&#116; the time and &#104;&#105;&#115; parents contacted me quite distraught, &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; had &#116;&#119;&#111; reports from psychologists that &#104;&#101; would never get &#097;&#110;&#121;&#119;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#104;&#105;&#115; mathematics and &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; was no point worrying about it. &#104;&#101; was &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; count but just, counting by 1s and then he&#8217;d &#103;&#111; &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; and when &#104;&#101; needed &#116;&#111; calculate &#104;&#101; would &#103;&#111; &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; and then he&#8217;d count the first bit, then he&#8217;d count the &#115;&#101;&#099;&#111;&#110;&#100; bit and then he&#8217;d count the whole lot.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: &#115;&#111; &#112;&#101;&#114;&#104;&#097;&#112;&#115; &#097;&#116; the age &#111;&#102; 9 &#104;&#105;&#115; development in mathematics was &#111;&#102; &#097; &#109;&#117;&#099;&#104; younger child?
<p><strong>Mary Delahunty</strong>: I would &#115;&#097;&#121; &#104;&#101; was &#112;&#114;&#111;&#098;&#097;&#098;&#108;&#121; operating as &#097; preschool student, that &#119;&#101; would expect &#116;&#111; be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; sort and sequence &#097;&#116; that time. I used &#097; multi-sensory approach &#115;&#111; that &#101;&#118;&#101;&#114;&#121; time &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; touched something &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; could sort &#111;&#102; feel &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; was &#097; multiple &#111;&#102; something, &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; was &#097;&#110;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; bit &#116;&#111; add &#111;&#110;. &#119;&#101; used buttons &#116;&#111; work our additions, and &#104;&#101; could &#103;&#111; &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; and check, &#115;&#111; after &#097; while &#104;&#101; &#103;&#111;&#116; the &#105;&#100;&#101;&#097; that &#104;&#101; could hold that number, that quantity, in &#104;&#105;&#115; mind. That led him &#116;&#111; be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; actually use &#104;&#105;&#115; memory &#114;&#097;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; than overload it &#116;&#111; hold &#097; concept in &#104;&#105;&#115; mind &#111;&#102; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#097; number looked &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; and &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; the quantity was.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Mary&#8217;s put together &#097; goodie box &#111;&#102; beads, beans, blocks and seeds &#116;&#111; &#103;&#105;&#118;&#101; numbers shape, substance and, hopefully, meaning.
<p><strong>Mary Delahunty</strong>: It turns &#111;&#110; the senses, it helps &#116;&#111; print the image in your mind. When &#121;&#111;&#117; feel something &#121;&#111;&#117; can often transfer that into the image &#111;&#102; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; it &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107;&#115; &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101;, &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; it feels &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101;. &#119;&#101; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; icy pole sticks, I &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; magnetic marbles &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101; can &#109;&#097;&#107;&#101; groups &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; &#115;&#111; &#121;&#111;&#117; can chain and unchain &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109;. &#119;&#101; &#109;&#097;&#100;&#101; bean sticks &#116;&#111; count by tens&#8230; And &#115;&#111;&#8230;&#115;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#116;&#105;&#109;&#101;&#115; they&#8217;re &#111;&#110; that same continuum as all the &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; students but &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; need that many &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; exposures &#116;&#111; something before &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; actually can &#116;&#097;&#107;&#101; it in and hold it in &#116;&#104;&#101;&#105;&#114; memory.
<p>Our working memory is &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; important, &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; we&#8217;ve implanted in our mind &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#116;&#111; &#103;&#111; &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; and redo, we&#8217;re not using our memory &#116;&#111; overload &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; &#100;&#111; &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101; can &#109;&#111;&#118;&#101; &#111;&#110;. &#115;&#111; it&#8217;s very important that &#119;&#101; actually can form &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; images.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: There&#8217;s &#097;&#108;&#115;&#111; problems &#115;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#116;&#105;&#109;&#101;&#115; &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; understanding time, &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; &#099;&#111;&#109;&#101;&#115; down &#116;&#111; numbers but it includes concepts &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; after and before.
<p><strong>Mary Delahunty</strong>: Dealing &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; time, &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; I get the children &#111;&#114; the students &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111; first &#111;&#102; all stick gum nuts, stick &#097;&#110;&#121;&#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103; &#111;&#110; &#097;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; the clock &#115;&#111; that when &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#103;&#111; &#112;&#097;&#115;&#116; the 12 &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; can shut &#116;&#104;&#101;&#105;&#114; eyes, touch it. &#109;&#111;&#115;&#116; &#111;&#102; our counting &#097;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; the clock is by 5s &#111;&#114; by 10s, &#111;&#114; going halfway &#117;&#112; the hill and halfway down the hill. &#115;&#111; &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; I get &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111; is I actually get &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#116;&#111; &#109;&#097;&#107;&#101; &#097; continuous length. &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101; &#109;&#097;&#107;&#101; our clock &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#097; tape and then &#119;&#101; spread it out &#097;&#108;&#111;&#110;&#103; the ground, &#121;&#111;&#117; can double it and &#109;&#097;&#107;&#101; &#097; hill out &#111;&#102; it &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101; are going &#117;&#112; the hill and down the hill. Once we&#8217;ve learned &#116;&#111; count by 5s &#119;&#101; can &#100;&#111; it &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; &#097; clock, &#119;&#101; roll it &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; &#117;&#112; and put it &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; into the circular shape &#115;&#111; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; can &#115;&#101;&#101; it.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Is &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; &#097; level beyond &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; people &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; dyscalculia can&#8217;t progress in the sense that somebody who&#8217;s blind isn&#8217;t going &#116;&#111; be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; &#115;&#101;&#101;?
<p><strong>Mary Delahunty</strong>: &#119;&#101; can&#8217;t cure some &#111;&#102; these &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115;. &#119;&#101; can improve &#104;&#111;&#119; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#100;&#111; it but &#119;&#101; can &#097;&#108;&#115;&#111; &#103;&#105;&#118;&#101; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; shortcuts. &#119;&#101; know that &#119;&#101; can use talking calculators &#116;&#111; &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; support students, &#115;&#111; that when problems are presented &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; can listen &#116;&#111; it &#098;&#101;&#105;&#110;&#103; stated first, that helps &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#116;&#111; process it in &#116;&#104;&#101;&#105;&#114; mind and &#116;&#111; get the information correct. &#111;&#114; remember &#097; pattern &#102;&#111;&#114; something that helps short circuit &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#121;&#111;&#117; need &#116;&#111; &#100;&#111; &#116;&#111; be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; calculate.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Mary Delahunty&#8217;s gum nut arsenal &#8212; it sounds &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; it&#8217;s working wonders. Professor Brian Butterworth wants &#116;&#111; know the extent &#116;&#111; &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; dyscalculia might be overcome. He&#8217;s designed online classes &#115;&#111; that dyscalculic children can &#100;&#111; basic maths tasks over and over &#097;&#103;&#097;&#105;&#110;. He&#8217;s &#102;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; it &#100;&#111;&#101;&#115; improve arithmetic ability and wants &#116;&#111; &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; out &#105;&#102; it &#097;&#108;&#115;&#111; boosts brain function.
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: It&#8217;s &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; done &#102;&#111;&#114; dyslexia, and &#119;&#101; know that &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; the &#114;&#105;&#103;&#104;&#116; kinds &#111;&#102; intervention patterns &#111;&#102; activation in the relevant &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#115; &#111;&#102; the reading brain change. And one &#111;&#102; the &#105;&#110;&#116;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#115;&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; in the dyslexia literature is that the changes are &#116;&#111;&#119;&#097;&#114;&#100;&#115; making brain activity &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; normal. Now it wasn&#8217;t obvious that that was going &#116;&#111; be the outcome. One possibility is that the dyslexic reading brain would &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; &#097; different &#119;&#097;&#121; &#111;&#102; &#100;&#111;&#105;&#110;&#103; effective reading from the rest &#111;&#102; us. But &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; in fact &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#102;&#111;&#117;&#110;&#100; was that the dyslexic brain &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#109;&#101; &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; the normal brain after the intervention.
<p>So one &#111;&#102; the &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; that we&#8217;re interested in &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; dyscalculia is whether intervention &#109;&#097;&#107;&#101;&#115; the dyscalculic brain &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; normal, &#111;&#114; whether the intervention just helps the dyscalculic learner &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; &#097; different &#119;&#097;&#121; &#111;&#102; &#100;&#111;&#105;&#110;&#103; the same task.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: There&#8217;s &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; quite &#097; vigorous debate about whether dyscalculia, the neurological difficulty &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; numbers and maths, is &#101;&#110;&#116;&#105;&#114;&#101;&#108;&#121; distinct from dyslexia, &#097; difficulty &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; words and language. &#104;&#097;&#115; that debate &#098;&#101;&#101;&#110; settled?
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: I think it &#104;&#097;&#115; but &#111;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#114; people don&#8217;t agree &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; me about &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115;. The problem is that kids who &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; dyslexia often &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; dyscalculia, and kids who &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; dyscalculia often &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; dyslexia. But not all &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; &#100;&#111;. &#115;&#111; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#102;&#105;&#110;&#100; kids who are just dyscalculic and kids who are just dyslexic. And &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107; &#097;&#116; the &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#115; &#111;&#102; the brain that are involved in reading, &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; scarcely overlap &#097;&#116; all &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; the &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#115; &#111;&#102; the brain that are involved in arithmetic. That&#8217;s one reason &#102;&#111;&#114; thinking that &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; are distinct. &#119;&#101; are beginning &#116;&#111; understand better the kinds &#111;&#102; genes that are involved in dyslexia, and &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; don&#8217;t seem &#116;&#111; be genes that are involved in dyscalculia. &#115;&#111; &#097;&#103;&#097;&#105;&#110;, &#097;&#116; the genetic level, &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; &#115;&#101;&#101;&#109;&#115; &#116;&#111; be &#097; &#100;&#105;&#102;&#102;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#110;&#099;&#101;.
<p>But it might be that there&#8217;s some common cause &#102;&#111;&#114; both dyslexia and dyscalculia, &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t know that &#121;&#101;&#116; and that &#115;&#101;&#101;&#109;&#115; &#101;&#110;&#116;&#105;&#114;&#101;&#108;&#121; possible. &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; I think &#116;&#111; me is clear but &#116;&#111; many people in the dyslexia business is not clear, is that dyslexia doesn&#8217;t cause dyscalculia. &#115;&#111; the fact that you&#8217;re not very &#103;&#111;&#111;&#100; &#097;&#116; reading &#111;&#102; course is going &#116;&#111; handicap &#121;&#111;&#117; in lessons, but in itself it doesn&#8217;t actually affect your ability &#116;&#111; represent numbers in the brain.
<p><strong>Corinne Podger</strong>: Dyscalculia can be &#097; lifelong disability but, &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; dyslexia, it&#8217;s not recognised as &#115;&#117;&#099;&#104; by Australia&#8217;s Disability Discrimination Act &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; is deliberately broad in &#097;&#110; attempt &#116;&#111; be inclusive. But it leaves schools &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; no clear guide &#111;&#110; who &#116;&#111; prioritise &#102;&#111;&#114; extra &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112;. &#108;&#097;&#115;&#116; year the National Dyslexia Working Party urged the federal government &#116;&#111; create &#097; &#110;&#101;&#119; disability category, that &#111;&#102; specific learning difficulties. The recommendation was &#109;&#097;&#100;&#101; &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; dyslexia in mind but working party member Dr Nola Firth from the Murdoch Children&#8217;s Research Institute says it could &#097;&#108;&#115;&#111; cover dyscalculia, echoing moves &#097;&#098;&#114;&#111;&#097;&#100;.
<p><strong>Nola Firth</strong>: In &#115;&#097;&#121; America and Canada and the UK the words &#8216;specific learning disabilities&#8217; are actually in the disability discrimination legislation. But here they&#8217;re not. &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; &#119;&#101; haven&#8217;t &#103;&#111;&#116; it specifically stated in law as specific learning disabilities, it&#8217;s not &#115;&#111; &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108; understood here. &#112;&#101;&#114;&#104;&#097;&#112;&#115; &#105;&#102; I can talk &#097; little bit about the history &#8212; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; was &#097;&#110; inquiry in the 70s in the Senate as &#116;&#111; whether the &#8216;specific learning difficulties&#8217; it was called &#097;&#116; that stage existed. And, in our country unfortunately, &#119;&#101; &#100;&#101;&#099;&#105;&#100;&#101;&#100; that it was &#100;&#117;&#101; &#116;&#111; bad teaching. It didn&#8217;t exist. &#119;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#097;&#115; &#097;&#116; &#097; similar time in America, Canada and the United Kingdom, &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; came &#116;&#111; &#097; different conclusion. And &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; in fact &#114;&#105;&#103;&#104;&#116; and &#119;&#101; &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; wrong.
<p>It was done &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; the &#098;&#101;&#115;&#116; &#111;&#102; intentions but I think as &#097; result &#111;&#102; that we&#8217;ve lagged behind here. In all &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; countries all teachers &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097; mandatory requirement &#111;&#102; education in dyslexia and dyscalculia &#8212; it&#8217;s specific learning disabilities &#115;&#111; it covers both. It&#8217;s important &#115;&#111; that people who &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; had &#097;&#110; informed diagnosis know that &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; are entitled &#116;&#111; reasonable adjustments, &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; are the words that are used. &#114;&#105;&#103;&#104;&#116; &#116;&#104;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#103;&#104;&#111;&#117;&#116; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#105;&#114; lives. It starts in kindergarten, primary school, secondary school, tertiary education and then workplace, &#115;&#111; that &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; can reach &#116;&#104;&#101;&#105;&#114; true potential &#119;&#104;&#105;&#099;&#104; in fact might be very high. People can be gifted and &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; either &#111;&#102; these conditions.
<p><strong>Bob Reeve</strong>: &#116;&#104;&#101;&#114;&#101; is &#115;&#116;&#105;&#108;&#108; &#097; strong belief that &#121;&#111;&#117; can teach all children &#097;&#110;&#121;&#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103; but &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097; subgroup &#111;&#102; atypical children, as in dyscalculia, who may need special exposure &#116;&#111; teaching practice, &#119;&#101; &#115;&#104;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; know about that, &#119;&#101; &#115;&#104;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; actually &#100;&#111; something about it. &#119;&#101; now &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#116;&#111; convince policymakers and educators &#111;&#102; the &#118;&#097;&#108;&#117;&#101; &#111;&#102; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115;.
<p><strong>Brian Butterworth</strong>: There&#8217;s &#097; circular problem &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; recognition. In order &#116;&#111; get it recognised by education authorities including government &#121;&#111;&#117; need &#116;&#111; be &#097;&#098;&#108;&#101; &#116;&#111; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097; &#119;&#097;&#121; &#111;&#102; reliably identifying it and I think we&#8217;ve &#103;&#111;&#116; that. &#121;&#111;&#117; &#097;&#108;&#115;&#111; need &#116;&#111; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#097; &#119;&#097;&#121; &#111;&#102; reliably helping the kids who &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; that problem, and I think we&#8217;re &#111;&#110; the &#119;&#097;&#121; &#116;&#111; that. But until we&#8217;ve &#103;&#111;&#116; &#116;&#104;&#111;&#115;&#101; &#116;&#119;&#111; elements in place, parents are not going &#116;&#111; &#115;&#097;&#121; I &#119;&#097;&#110;&#116; &#109;&#121; child &#116;&#111; be identified as having &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; &#112;&#097;&#114;&#116;&#105;&#099;&#117;&#108;&#097;&#114; problem and &#116;&#111; get &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; kind &#111;&#102; &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; &#102;&#111;&#114; that problem. And &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104;&#111;&#117;&#116; the parents &#103;&#101;&#116;&#116;&#105;&#110;&#103; active about it governments aren&#8217;t going &#116;&#111; get active about it. And &#105;&#102; &#121;&#111;&#117; &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107; &#097;&#116; the history &#111;&#102; dyslexia it&#8217;s &#098;&#101;&#099;&#097;&#117;&#115;&#101; the parents &#111;&#102; dyslexic individuals &#119;&#101;&#114;&#101; very vocal that governments recognised it..
<p>So &#119;&#104;&#097;&#116; &#119;&#101; need is &#102;&#111;&#114; the current government, in the UK and &#112;&#114;&#101;&#115;&#117;&#109;&#097;&#098;&#108;&#121; in Australia as &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108;, &#116;&#111; recognise that &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; is &#097; problem where &#121;&#111;&#117; can identify the individuals, &#121;&#111;&#117; can &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; the individuals and that actually it &#109;&#097;&#107;&#101;&#115; economic sense &#116;&#111; put in place programs &#116;&#111; identify and &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; dyscalculic learners.
<p><strong>Astrid</strong>: &#119;&#101; don&#8217;t expect &#102;&#111;&#114; her &#116;&#111; become &#097; scientist &#111;&#114; &#116;&#111; work in that field but &#119;&#101; feel it&#8217;s important &#102;&#111;&#114; her &#116;&#111; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; enough maths &#116;&#111; get her &#116;&#104;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#103;&#104; school and &#116;&#111; get her &#116;&#104;&#114;&#111;&#117;&#103;&#104; life. &#121;&#111;&#117; know just the everyday maths &#111;&#102; working out your &#105;&#110;&#116;&#101;&#114;&#101;&#115;&#116; rate, counting &#098;&#097;&#099;&#107; change, all the basic &#116;&#104;&#105;&#110;&#103;&#115; that &#119;&#101; use in everyday life.
<p><strong>Lucie</strong>: &#109;&#121; teachers, it might &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; know that I don&#8217;t know, &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; it&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t &#119;&#097;&#110;&#116; &#116;&#111; listen, &#108;&#105;&#107;&#101; she&#8217;s explaining &#111;&#110; the board and I &#115;&#097;&#121; I don&#8217;t understand and then &#116;&#104;&#101;&#121; &#115;&#097;&#121; you&#8217;re not listening. It &#119;&#105;&#108;&#108; &#104;&#101;&#108;&#112; &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109; know &#119;&#101;&#108;&#108; OK she &#114;&#101;&#097;&#108;&#108;&#121; &#100;&#111;&#101;&#115; not understand.
<p><strong>Natasha Mitchell</strong>: Lucie &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; her mum Astrid and before &#116;&#104;&#101;&#109;, Professor Brian Butterworth, Associate Professor Bob Reeve and Dr Nola Firth, speaking &#116;&#111; producer Corinne Podger. Details and oodles &#111;&#102; extra resources about dyscalculia &#111;&#110; our website as &#101;&#118;&#101;&#114;, abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind. And &#111;&#110; &#109;&#121; blog extra audio including &#097;&#110; extended interview &#119;&#105;&#116;&#104; Brian &#8212; &#105;&#102; there&#8217;s &#097; man that &#109;&#097;&#107;&#101;&#115; numbers sexy he&#8217;s the one.
<p>And &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; &#111;&#110; efforts &#116;&#111; &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; dyscalculia recognised in the next edition &#111;&#102; the DSM &#111;&#114; Diagnostic and Statistical Manual &#102;&#111;&#114; Mental Disorders by the American Psychiatric Association &#8212; we&#8217;ll &#104;&#097;&#118;&#101; &#116;&#111; &#115;&#101;&#101; &#104;&#111;&#119; that &#103;&#111;&#101;&#115;.
<p>So I &#119;&#097;&#110;&#116; &#116;&#111; hear about your experiences as &#097; parent, &#111;&#114; as &#097; person challenged by numbers, &#111;&#114; not, &#112;&#101;&#114;&#104;&#097;&#112;&#115; you&#8217;re &#097; maths whizz. Love your &#115;&#116;&#111;&#114;&#105;&#101;&#115;, particularly &#111;&#110; our Audioboo pilot channel, &#108;&#111;&#111;&#107; &#102;&#111;&#114; &#8216;speak your mind&#8217; &#111;&#110; the website and follow the instructions. &#111;&#114; there&#8217;s the comments board &#111;&#110; &#116;&#104;&#105;&#115; week&#8217;s page too.
<p>Thanks &#116;&#111; studio engineer Carey Dell, I&#8217;m Natasha Mitchell, &#109;&#111;&#114;&#101; heady talk next week. Bye &#102;&#111;&#114; now.
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